R2I to Bangalore June 2025

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SAPPORO wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:19 am
wd40 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 2:07 am
Thanks for sharing! You are really a globe trotter :)

My question about the passport was mainly because from what I see, Indians typically have this mentality to acquire a foreign passport first, even if their heart is in India. They want the foreign passport "just in case" insurance for their kids to go and settledown.

To me this is irrational hoarding, just like doomsday people hoard toilet papers, I feel desis are insecure and want to acquire a foreign passport for their kids sake.

To me, if a kid cannot do well in India, which is like such a low cost of living and we are already in the top 1% in India, how the hell can they make it in a developed country, where they are already considered 2nd grade due to race/colour and the barrier to make it big is so much higher.

So, well done man! All the best! It is nice that we can communicate in this forum again, after the old one died. Keep posting here.
A lot of folks do better in the US than they would have done back in India, including me. The qualifications, university, grades(marks) and age are paramount in India and not the actual skills for the job. I see a lot of folks who struggle with basic English and yet thrive in the US purely based on their coding skills.
Count me in as well, last few years in USA really helped me as well :)
Just need to hit that 100M number to achieve the ultimate dream ;) ...
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JINSAKAI wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:36 am Count me in as well, last few years in USA really helped me as well :)
Just need to hit that 100M number to achieve the ultimate dream ;) ...
Wow, If Kamala doesn't get you now with taxes on unrealized gains, she will in 2040!
Along with this ultimate dream, have a side-dream on how to spend all that money :)
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Also when your lamborhini breaks down on bombay poona highway.. even gautam singhania has to complain on twitter about non existent customer service.. so doubt if 100M will guarantee any special treatment :D

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/trending- ... 2024-10-28
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Razz R wrote: Tue Oct 29, 2024 8:51 am Also when your lamborhini breaks down on bombay poona highway.. even gautam singhania has to complain on twitter about non existent customer service.. so doubt if 100M will guarantee any special treatment :D

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/trending- ... 2024-10-28
I think by that time my friend FIREIndia would become next Rakesh Jhoonjhoonwala ( that’s my aaRZu ) may help me ;) .
Also will create a bitching thread over here :D
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SAPPORO wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:19 am
A lot of folks do better in the US than they would have done back in India, including me. The qualifications, university, grades(marks) and age are paramount in India and not the actual skills for the job. I see a lot of folks who struggle with basic English and yet thrive in the US purely based on their coding skills.
Both you and Jinsakai, are exceptionally exceptional in terms of your talent. You guys came from Indian education with the hunger and you guys did really well in the US. it is a bit like selection bias and survival bias. I doubt your next gen will be able to beat you guys.

It is a bit like you guys are Shivaji and your kids will probably also do decently well, like Shambhaji. But after that the future generations even if you bring them up in the US, are unlikely to taste the same success that you guys tasted. Just like Marathas we know only 2 generations after that it is other people who took the helm.
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wd40 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 12:19 am
SAPPORO wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:19 am
A lot of folks do better in the US than they would have done back in India, including me. The qualifications, university, grades(marks) and age are paramount in India and not the actual skills for the job. I see a lot of folks who struggle with basic English and yet thrive in the US purely based on their coding skills.
Both you and Jinsakai, are exceptionally exceptional in terms of your talent. You guys came from Indian education with the hunger and you guys did really well in the US. it is a bit like selection bias and survival bias. I doubt your next gen will be able to beat you guys.

It is a bit like you guys are Shivaji and your kids will probably also do decently well, like Shambhaji. But after that the future generations even if you bring them up in the US, are unlikely to taste the same success that you guys tasted. Just like Marathas we know only 2 generations after that it is other people who took the helm.
Every generation beats the previous generation and that's how and why, we are where we are now!

I am just an average person and no need to worry about losing the kingdom like Shivaji or Mahendra Bahubali :)
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I disagree with the sentence every gen beats previous gen. We the first gen who moved from India may have been better off than previous generation due to relocation to higher income country. But many second gen kids in US do not fare well.

Many chose non traditional career and parents end up supporting them. For first gen we have to pursue profession like IT/finance to get US visa/GC and second gen has no such compulsions. Many end up with low paying careers. But some do better.

Like kids of Pichai and Nadella cannot do better than them. Even in India Mukesh did better than his father but Anil Ambani was a dud. Same with Tendulkar or Big B. We cannot generalize next gen will do better than current one.
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old-spice2 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 7:25 pm I disagree with the sentence every gen beats previous gen. We the first gen who moved from India may have been better off than previous generation due to relocation to higher income country. But many second gen kids in US do not fare well.

Many chose non traditional career and parents end up supporting them. For first gen we have to pursue profession like IT/finance to get US visa/GC and second gen has no such compulsions. Many end up with low paying careers. But some do better.

Like kids of Pichai and Nadella cannot do better than them. Even in India Mukesh did better than his father but Anil Ambani was a dud. Same with Tendulkar or Big B. We cannot generalize next gen will do better than current one.
Thanks. Another point I wanted to share. I know a couple of my colleagues who are now in their 50s and they are really accomplished people, like managing director, Senior manager level. They have worked in multiple countries and have got US citizenship and they are like big shots now.

However, I noticed their kids have just passed out from US college, one studied from Colorado State University BS in data science and another from San Jose state university BS in business analytics and CS. Both have status of Open to work in linked in.

So just imagine, they are kids of established parents. Yet, they are following the same path which we followed. The same boring dull grind, which we followed because we didnt have any choice. We had to do it. But kids of established parents, who can pay crores in tuition fees and let them choose any career they want, in the end are following the same boring career which we followed.

What doest this say? 2 things come to my mind.
1) If you are an industrialist and you set up a big company. Basically your kids life is set, they can learn the tricks of the trade but basically they will take over the family business. Because it is much more lucrative than to slog in a corporate for someone else. My wife's uncles' kids basically joined their parents family business which is a clothes store and a rice mill and although they did Engg and MBA and had the option to work in corporates, they decided to join the family business.

However, if you work in a corporate job, no matter how much big shot, CEO or whatever you become. At best you can give your kids US citizenship, you can sponsor their education etc. But in the end they start the same struggle and grind in corporate. To be all that accomplishment we achieve in a corporate isnt of much use for our kids. We think we are giving them a great platform, but truth is; they would do well regardless.

2) Second point that comes to my mind is desi parents keep ingraining into their kids either subtly or directly that STEM careers are the only way. This is why 99% of desi kids in US choose BS in CS or related fields. I think desis should really stop forcing their insecurities on their kids. We came from a generation of deprivation so we didnt have a choice, we had to struggle and work hard. We chose careers that gave money regardless of whether we liked it or not. But subtly coercing kids to do the same makes no sense.

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wd40 wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:31 am Thanks. Another point I wanted to share. I know a couple of my colleagues who are now in their 50s and they are really accomplished people, like managing director, Senior manager level. They have worked in multiple countries and have got US citizenship and they are like big shots now.

However, I noticed their kids have just passed out from US college, one studied from Colorado State University BS in data science and another from San Jose state university BS in business analytics and CS. Both have status of Open to work in linked in.

So just imagine, they are kids of established parents. Yet, they are following the same path which we followed. The same boring dull grind, which we followed because we didnt have any choice. We had to do it. But kids of established parents, who can pay crores in tuition fees and let them choose any career they want, in the end are following the same boring career which we followed.

What doest this say? 2 things come to my mind.
1) If you are an industrialist and you set up a big company. Basically your kids life is set, they can learn the tricks of the trade but basically they will take over the family business. Because it is much more lucrative than to slog in a corporate for someone else. My wife's uncles' kids basically joined their parents family business which is a clothes store and a rice mill and although they did Engg and MBA and had the option to work in corporates, they decided to join the family business.

However, if you work in a corporate job, no matter how much big shot, CEO or whatever you become. At best you can give your kids US citizenship, you can sponsor their education etc. But in the end they start the same struggle and grind in corporate. To be all that accomplishment we achieve in a corporate isnt of much use for our kids. We think we are giving them a great platform, but truth is; they would do well regardless.

2) Second point that comes to my mind is desi parents keep ingraining into their kids either subtly or directly that STEM careers are the only way. This is why 99% of desi kids in US choose BS in CS or related fields. I think desis should really stop forcing their insecurities on their kids. We came from a generation of deprivation so we didnt have a choice, we had to struggle and work hard. We chose careers that gave money regardless of whether we liked it or not. But subtly coercing kids to do the same makes no sense
One thing you should remember as an immigrant and a minority in the host country lot of professions are out of bounds or hard to get in and succeed. Few that comes to mind are modelling, music, movies and few other professions where old boys network is pretty strong. They will not let in a foreigner/brown skinned person. So Desi kids in America cannot blindly follow their white friends and aspire to become a Hollywood star. They can do that in India as they will be part of the society. Remember Karan Kapoor (son of Shashi Kapoor) could not click in Bollywood as he is blonde and looks like a foreigner.

For Desi kids options are limited to science, engineering, medical, legal and may be few other professions. Nowadays PIOs are making it big in politics like Rishi and Kamla. But those are very few and limited. Even in sports Desi kids have a tough task competing against stronger white/black kids. But in India if kid is talented can break into IPL or tennis. In US you are competing with likes of Sampras and Serena Williams. Learning Bharatnatyam or Carnatic music is of no use in phoren land. There is limited market/audience for such arts.
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Kids usually adapt to what parents do in their profession. If you are in medical field, it's high likelihood that they will do the same. Reasons are very simple. They are exposed to that field from childhood. They learn about nuiances of profession from parents and are more than likely to gravitate towards the same. I do not know of any desi coming to America and pursuing sports, acting, music, arts etc. So chances to kids picking up these professions are negligible unless one is really talented.

In UK, I saw few Indian cricketers who migrated and their kids pursue cricket at county level. Same goes for Pakistanis. There are some who pursue soccer as well because their family was sports oriented. It's all what parents do at home. Just like they say apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

As such immigration to these countries is extremely difficult for anyone outside of STEM/Finance/Business. So the likelihood of kids going out those is also very low.

It's works in similar manner in India also. Sachin Tendulkar needed his elder brother to make it happen for him. If not for his elder brother's passion, we would have missed on that legend. Same goes for Yuvraj Singh and so many others in so many sports.

But I do agree that people in jobs do have a disadvantage for their kids having to start from scratch but business family kids enjoy that privilege of starting from where previous generations left off.
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