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Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:35 am
by old-spice2
nodegree wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:50 pm If I were to guess they'll do all the above i.e. increase the age for Medicare enrollment, reduce the benefits, increase the premiums for those enrolled and finally yes hike the current payroll medicare taxes (or make more income subject to NIIT).
Or shoot the CEO of the insurance company!

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:33 am
by SAPPORO
If we don't see the congress scrambling for something, it means it's not a big deal yet. They will get to work most likely in 2032. Easy fix, double the contribution percentage from the current insignificant 1.45%.
Worst case, as Trump has shown during Covid, make Trillions out of thin air and still the economy would be humming along with soft landing and what not. The only downside is that we might have inflation of Indian proportions for a couple of years which is no big deal in the big scheme of things.

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:05 am
by JINSAKAI
old-spice2 wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 1:35 am
nodegree wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:50 pm If I were to guess they'll do all the above i.e. increase the age for Medicare enrollment, reduce the benefits, increase the premiums for those enrolled and finally yes hike the current payroll medicare taxes (or make more income subject to NIIT).
Or shoot the CEO of the insurance company!
The sadder part is 41% of young voters found it “acceptable” as per one of the poll.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/17/united ... lling-poll

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:11 am
by nodegree
SAPPORO wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:33 am If we don't see the congress scrambling for something, it means it's not a big deal yet. They will get to work most likely in 2032. Easy fix, double the contribution percentage from the current insignificant 1.45%.
Worst case, as Trump has shown during Covid, make Trillions out of thin air and still the economy would be humming along with soft landing and what not. The only downside is that we might have inflation of Indian proportions for a couple of years which is no big deal in the big scheme of things.
Well they're not going to do all of those things in one step duh! Step by step it'll happen - yes the medicare tax increase first, raise the eligibility maybe a year or two later and oopsie your premiums are higher after a late year christmas budget brawl. Hey look at that, some procedures have a long wait list.

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:14 am
by SAPPORO
JINSAKAI wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:05 am The sadder part is 41% of young voters found it “acceptable” as per one of the poll.

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/17/united ... lling-poll
As usual young and stupid! Shooting down the CEO won't help since they would just replace the CEO and keep them incognito or run the company with an AI BOT!

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:21 am
by SAPPORO
nodegree wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:11 am
SAPPORO wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:33 am If we don't see the congress scrambling for something, it means it's not a big deal yet. They will get to work most likely in 2032. Easy fix, double the contribution percentage from the current insignificant 1.45%.
Worst case, as Trump has shown during Covid, make Trillions out of thin air and still the economy would be humming along with soft landing and what not. The only downside is that we might have inflation of Indian proportions for a couple of years which is no big deal in the big scheme of things.
Well they're not going to do all of those things in one step duh! Step by step it'll happen - yes the medicare tax increase first, raise the eligibility maybe a year or two later and oopsie your premiums are higher after a late year christmas budget brawl. Hey look at that, some procedures have a long wait list.
Which party would want to sign their own suicide-note? By 2032, possibly 30% of the registered voters and 40% of the actual voters would be seniors. So, the eligibility age would go up but not the premiums other than the annual adjustment for inflation.

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:22 am
by nodegree
SAPPORO wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:21 am
nodegree wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:11 am
SAPPORO wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:33 am If we don't see the congress scrambling for something, it means it's not a big deal yet. They will get to work most likely in 2032. Easy fix, double the contribution percentage from the current insignificant 1.45%.
Worst case, as Trump has shown during Covid, make Trillions out of thin air and still the economy would be humming along with soft landing and what not. The only downside is that we might have inflation of Indian proportions for a couple of years which is no big deal in the big scheme of things.
Well they're not going to do all of those things in one step duh! Step by step it'll happen - yes the medicare tax increase first, raise the eligibility maybe a year or two later and oopsie your premiums are higher after a late year christmas budget brawl. Hey look at that, some procedures have a long wait list.
Which party would want to sign their own suicide-note? By 2032, possibly 30% of the registered voters and 40% of the actual voters would be seniors. So, the eligibility age would go up but not the premiums other than the annual adjustment for inflation.
Democratic Party. Remember SALT exemption cap? Well they had two years of Senate, House and Presidency but failed to repeal it. The guy who passed it in 2018 campaigned against it in 2024 but the dem party had nothing to say or show.

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:29 am
by old-spice2
SAPPORO wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:21 am Which party would want to sign their own suicide-note? By 2032, possibly 30% of the registered voters and 40% of the actual voters would be seniors. So, the eligibility age would go up but not the premiums other than the annual adjustment for inflation.
Already 65 is too late. You are forced to work till that age for insurance and if they make it 67, two more years will be tough on many people. If survival becomes tough, people will come out with their guns. France and Greece witnessed large scale protest when pension age was raised by two years. Not sure if it went through or not.

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:46 am
by SAPPORO
nodegree wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:22 am
Democratic Party. Remember SALT exemption cap? Well they had two years of Senate, House and Presidency but failed to repeal it. The guy who passed it in 2018 campaigned against it in 2024 but the dem party had nothing to say or show.
The SALT exemption cap is not a universal issue since it affects only a handful of deep blue states, why would a mid-western democrat want to prioritize this over other things like child tax credit, infrastructure, healthcare etc?
Seniors are everywhere and they show up to vote in larger numbers than any other age group.

Re: Healthcare in US

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:48 am
by SAPPORO
old-spice2 wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:29 am
SAPPORO wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 10:21 am Which party would want to sign their own suicide-note? By 2032, possibly 30% of the registered voters and 40% of the actual voters would be seniors. So, the eligibility age would go up but not the premiums other than the annual adjustment for inflation.
Already 65 is too late. You are forced to work till that age for insurance and if they make it 67, two more years will be tough on many people. If survival becomes tough, people will come out with their guns. France and Greece witnessed large scale protest when pension age was raised by two years. Not sure if it went through or not.
That's why they would not increase it for those in their 50s and 60s- they would only increase it for younger folks for whom it's in the distant future.