Indians being deported from the US

[Returning_Indian]

You probably misheard. 3k per month for a cook is not possible unless he works just half hr a day. We had a restaurant at one point. It was 20k for an idiot who was to be trained and once trained it went to 30k for not a fancy cook. For cooks with skills they will ask for 50k to 1lakh. Cook that worked at our house charges 7k for working 1hr in morning and half in evening. He worked at multiple places. Cook that comes in our village charges 1k per day but she is more of a contractor. Delivery boys make around 20-30k net profit each month. And all these are pre-covid rates. Post Covid salaries have increased significantly for semi skilled labor.

Other possibility is that person is relative or very close one. He is just doing him a favor and has given roof, food and 3k for 'hobbies'. Not an actual employee.

LOL - 50k to 1 Lakh? This eatery owner won't even know what chef means! The owner comes in at 530 AM and toils until 1030 PM to establish the business and he sure doesn't have the means to pay his cooks by the hour.

Is it one of those places where dogs were after you?

[SAPPORO]

You probably misheard. 3k per month for a cook is not possible unless he works just half hr a day. We had a restaurant at one point. It was 20k for an idiot who was to be trained and once trained it went to 30k for not a fancy cook. For cooks with skills they will ask for 50k to 1lakh. Cook that worked at our house charges 7k for working 1hr in morning and half in evening. He worked at multiple places. Cook that comes in our village charges 1k per day but she is more of a contractor. Delivery boys make around 20-30k net profit each month. And all these are pre-covid rates. Post Covid salaries have increased significantly for semi skilled labor.

Other possibility is that person is relative or very close one. He is just doing him a favor and has given roof, food and 3k for 'hobbies'. Not an actual employee.

LOL - 50k to 1 Lakh? This eatery owner won't even know what chef means! The owner comes in at 530 AM and toils until 1030 PM to establish the business and he sure doesn't have the means to pay his cooks by the hour.

Is it one of those places where dogs were after you?

Yes, one of those eateries with no doors, no outside walls but with some seating inside! I guess non-dog air-conditioned restaurants employ chefs and pay them handily, but they charge one-half of typical American rates.

[old-spice2]

Folks should probably get out of social media like reddit, X, WA etc.., and actually look at the raw data. Obviously for every landowner in Punjab or for that matter anywhere else, there would be thousands that work there and don't own anything. Punjab has been facing economic decline for the last 40+ years and that could be the reason why they want to move out risking their lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Punjab,_India

"It ranked first in GDP per capita amongst Indian states in 1981 and fourth in 2001, but has experienced slower growth than the rest of India in recent years, having the second-slowest GDP per capita growth rate of all Indian states and union territories (UTs) between 2000 and 2010, behind only Manipur."

What happeend in Punjab is typical of what happens in a society that grows from poor to rich (like America). Earlier generation worked hard, brought in green revolution and became rich. Their kids never had to work hard, got into drugs and wanted to emigrate with the new found money. Remember SRK's son?

Along with KT the rural life took a downturn. At the same time MP and other states caught up.

Madhya Pradesh emerged as the state with the highest growth rate in agriculture. Long clubbed with the so-called BIMARU group of poor northern, central and eastern states, MP successfully broke ranks to set a scorching pace of growth, which has been unparalleled in the past quarter-century.

Punjab is still #1 in agriculture due to multiple rivers and rich soil/canal network but it has many issues in the countryside. Punjabis like Gujjus always emigrated to greener pastures for the past 100+ years. Earliest settlers in CA (1900 AD) were from Punjab who started the Gadar Movement in SF.

[SAPPORO]

Folks should probably get out of social media like reddit, X, WA etc.., and actually look at the raw data. Obviously for every landowner in Punjab or for that matter anywhere else, there would be thousands that work there and don't own anything. Punjab has been facing economic decline for the last 40+ years and that could be the reason why they want to move out risking their lives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Punjab,_India

"It ranked first in GDP per capita amongst Indian states in 1981 and fourth in 2001, but has experienced slower growth than the rest of India in recent years, having the second-slowest GDP per capita growth rate of all Indian states and union territories (UTs) between 2000 and 2010, behind only Manipur."

What happeend in Punjab is typical of what happens in a society that grows from poor to rich (like America). Earlier generation worked hard, brought in green revolution and became rich. Their kids never had to work hard, got into drugs and wanted to emigrate with the new found money. Remember SRK's son?

Along with KT the rural life took a downturn. At the same time MP and other states caught up.

Madhya Pradesh emerged as the state with the highest growth rate in agriculture. Long clubbed with the so-called BIMARU group of poor northern, central and eastern states, MP successfully broke ranks to set a scorching pace of growth, which has been unparalleled in the past quarter-century.

Punjab is still #1 in agriculture due to multiple rivers and rich soil/canal network but it has many issues in the countryside. Punjabis like Gujjus always emigrated to greener pastures for the past 100+ years. Earliest settlers in CA (1900 AD) were from Punjab who started the Gadar Movement in SF.

I am surprised you did not include the insurgency that started in the 80s as a contributing factor for Punjab's downfall. Not just Punjabis and Gujjus, other Indians like Tamils have all wanted to get out and latched onto the opportunities provided even though it was for manual labor in most cases.
Interesting data: https://www.mea.gov.in/images/attach/nr ... pios_1.pdf

[r2somewhere]

Folks should probably get out of social media like reddit, X, WA etc.., and actually look at the raw data. Obviously for every landowner in Punjab or for that matter anywhere else, there would be thousands that work there and don't own anything.

This is a big blind spot for many Indians. Indians love to say things like, "Maids are available easily in India, therefore India is better than US".

Excuse me, whole of India has maids? Including the maids themselves? Likewise - do drivers have their own drivers? Swiggy delivery guys get swiggy delivered to their homes?

Its almost as if this army of support staff dont even count as Indians in the minds of some Indians when making such assertions.

Yes, India is super rich and high per capita GDP if you dont count 90% of Indians LOL

[old-spice2]

This is a big blind spot for many Indians. Indians love to say things like, "Maids are available easily in India, therefore India is better than US".

Excuse me, whole of India has maids? Including the maids themselves? Likewise - do drivers have their own drivers? Swiggy delivery guys get swiggy delivered to their homes?

Its almost as if this army of support staff dont even count as Indians in the minds of some Indians when making such assertions.

Yes, India is super rich and high per capita GDP if you dont count 90% of Indians LOL

Nonsense! Whole world loves cheap labor. The t-shirt, Nike shoes and iPhones you wear were made using cheap labor in Vietnam/BD/China where workers are paid $5/day. If not for those cheap labor you would be walking naked, wont be able to afford if these stuff were Made in America for $30/hr.

It is a reality whethere one likes it or want to act like a Mahatma. You need poor people for rich to enjoy their life. European powers got rich by exploiting people in Asia/Africa. It is almost impossible for everyone to be rich which is what is happening in Bay Area and getting help/maid is so tough/expensive unless you are making 2-3 mil a year.

[nodegree]

You need poor people for rich to enjoy their life.

Sadly, this is true.

[SAPPORO]

This is a big blind spot for many Indians. Indians love to say things like, "Maids are available easily in India, therefore India is better than US".

Excuse me, whole of India has maids? Including the maids themselves? Likewise - do drivers have their own drivers? Swiggy delivery guys get swiggy delivered to their homes?

Its almost as if this army of support staff dont even count as Indians in the minds of some Indians when making such assertions.

Yes, India is super rich and high per capita GDP if you dont count 90% of Indians LOL

Nonsense! Whole world loves cheap labor. The t-shirt, Nike shoes and iPhones you wear were made using cheap labor in Vietnam/BD/China where workers are paid $5/day. If not for those cheap labor you would be walking naked, wont be able to afford if these stuff were Made in America for $30/hr.

It is a reality whethere one likes it or want to act like a Mahatma. You need poor people for rich to enjoy their life. European powers got rich by exploiting people in Asia/Africa. It is almost impossible for everyone to be rich which is what is happening in Bay Area and getting help/maid is so tough/expensive unless you are making 2-3 mil a year.

What you said it's obvious! But what I was taking exception was to the comment that, "well, everyone in Punjab owns land'!
BTW, Americans or for that matter anyone else was roaming naked, before all the global trade started. They were just living like we used to do growing up, getting new clothes only for occasions like Diwali, family wedding etc..,

[r2somewhere]

This is a big blind spot for many Indians. Indians love to say things like, "Maids are available easily in India, therefore India is better than US".

Excuse me, whole of India has maids? Including the maids themselves? Likewise - do drivers have their own drivers? Swiggy delivery guys get swiggy delivered to their homes?

Its almost as if this army of support staff dont even count as Indians in the minds of some Indians when making such assertions.

Yes, India is super rich and high per capita GDP if you dont count 90% of Indians LOL

Nonsense! Whole world loves cheap labor. The t-shirt, Nike shoes and iPhones you wear were made using cheap labor in Vietnam/BD/China where workers are paid $5/day. If not for those cheap labor you would be walking naked, wont be able to afford if these stuff were Made in America for $30/hr.

It is a reality whethere one likes it or want to act like a Mahatma. You need poor people for rich to enjoy their life. European powers got rich by exploiting people in Asia/Africa. It is almost impossible for everyone to be rich which is what is happening in Bay Area and getting help/maid is so tough/expensive unless you are making 2-3 mil a year.

No one is acting like a Mahatma. European powers also used Asia and Africa. But at least they treat each other right. And when they say 'Europe' or America is rich, its an accurate statement. India is not rich. Unless you make a separate nation out of India consisting only of the maid employing class.

Big difference in outsourcing vs your own country providing the cheap labor. In former case, you can still make statements like "everyone in Luxembourg is well off". You cannot make statements like "everyone in India is rich" without denying the existence of 90% of Indians.

[wd40]

This is what I have been saying all this while; Lots of Indians are very rich and have resources to fund 40L-1cr to go abroad. It is fomo. That's all. Grass is green in the US.

"Father had a sweets shop but son was too ashamed to sit on it. That’s why spent ₹40 lakhs to go to the US illegally.

Problem is not unemployment . Problem is the attitude of these dehatis."