My fist time in NJRazz R wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:11 amBhai tu NJ aaya tha.. ye nayi jilli se kam nahi hai..JINSAKAI wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 6:42 amBased on Desi crowd, I felt like India during last TriState R2I meetRazz R wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 12:51 pm my sympathies.. this is where i ended up during my last visit.. i felt like you can get better food in NJ than the stuff i had in chennai/hyd/b'lore.. the crowds,pollution and the infra gave me quite a bit of anxiety, the income gap between the haves and havenots was heartbreaking.. and my quiet central NJ town felt like a haven in comparison.![]()
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What happened to "Atithi Devo Bhava" in India these days? Whenever someone visits us home, my wife makes appetizers, multiple main courses and desserts.
But, all we got in India on this trip were idli with sambar in one relative's place, Chapatis with Chutney(?) in another one and Akki Roti (Rice flour Roti) in the latest one. This despite us giving advance notice and one of them having a cook!
But, all we got in India on this trip were idli with sambar in one relative's place, Chapatis with Chutney(?) in another one and Akki Roti (Rice flour Roti) in the latest one. This despite us giving advance notice and one of them having a cook!
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that is not good. Did these relatives offer anything different when you had visited them previously or are they known kanjoos?SAPPORO wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:46 am What happened to "Atithi Devo Bhava" in India these days? Whenever someone visits us home, my wife makes appetizers, multiple main courses and desserts.
But, all we got in India on this trip were idli with sambar in one relative's place, Chapatis with Chutney(?) in another one and Akki Roti (Rice flour Roti) in the latest one. This despite us giving advance notice and one of them having a cook!
I personally prefer to go around 3ish in afternoon, this way people are not obligated to offer anything as it's just post lunch. Just tea and some snacks like samosa and dry fruits etc. And I make it a point to leave around 6pm. I guess I am afraid to find out if they really like me to go through the trouble of multiple course meals.
What if you go to their places and order via Zomato/Swiggy? Will that be insulting for them and send them a message?
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The visits were all for dinner and the disturbing part was that all of them are households headed by 80+ years-old matriarchs and I am their Damad (SIL)! They were not like this in the past, maybe frequent trips to India is not helping. The worst was when I was longing for some south Indian food during my last week's trip to Rajasthan and we contacted my wife's cousin who lives in Jaipur hoping that they would invite us for home-cooked dinner. But they didn't even bring up that subject even as a formality and instead visited us in our hotel and we had Haldi ki subzi togetherReturning_Indian wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:13 pmthat is not good. Did these relatives offer anything different when you had visited them previously or are they known kanjoos?SAPPORO wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2025 9:46 am What happened to "Atithi Devo Bhava" in India these days? Whenever someone visits us home, my wife makes appetizers, multiple main courses and desserts.
But, all we got in India on this trip were idli with sambar in one relative's place, Chapatis with Chutney(?) in another one and Akki Roti (Rice flour Roti) in the latest one. This despite us giving advance notice and one of them having a cook!
I personally prefer to go around 3ish in afternoon, this way people are not obligated to offer anything as it's just post lunch. Just tea and some snacks like samosa and dry fruits etc. And I make it a point to leave around 6pm. I guess I am afraid to find out if they really like me to go through the trouble of multiple course meals.
What if you go to their places and order via Zomato/Swiggy? Will that be insulting for them and send them a message?

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SUPER LOUD HORNS
I was walking my kids back from school today and I heard a super loud honk in near proximity to us. My heart skipped a few beats and I was certain it was a huge SUV or even worse a truck that's coming at us at high speed. I quickly swung my kids out of the path and looked back and only to find out that it was a swiggy courier driving the tiniest of two wheelers but equipped with a mega horn (or wolf horn).
It never ceases to amaze me that the most rugged individualism in modern societies is displayed by drivers of all vehicle sizes in a collectivist society like India. I don't know why these horns don't get regulated (the horn lobby perhaps) but boy they're such a nuisance.
I was walking my kids back from school today and I heard a super loud honk in near proximity to us. My heart skipped a few beats and I was certain it was a huge SUV or even worse a truck that's coming at us at high speed. I quickly swung my kids out of the path and looked back and only to find out that it was a swiggy courier driving the tiniest of two wheelers but equipped with a mega horn (or wolf horn).
It never ceases to amaze me that the most rugged individualism in modern societies is displayed by drivers of all vehicle sizes in a collectivist society like India. I don't know why these horns don't get regulated (the horn lobby perhaps) but boy they're such a nuisance.
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they are regulated. There are regulations both for horns and exhaust. You will never find reputed dealerships selling them. It's a matter of enforcement. In Delhi they are very strict now and catch you right away.nodegree wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:34 am SUPER LOUD HORNS
I was walking my kids back from school today and I heard a super loud honk in near proximity to us. My heart skipped a few beats and I was certain it was a huge SUV or even worse a truck that's coming at us at high speed. I quickly swung my kids out of the path and looked back and only to find out that it was a swiggy courier driving the tiniest of two wheelers but equipped with a mega horn (or wolf horn).
It never ceases to amaze me that the most rugged individualism in modern societies is displayed by drivers of all vehicle sizes in a collectivist society like India. I don't know why these horns don't get regulated (the horn lobby perhaps) but boy they're such a nuisance.
Idiots are giving challans if I don't stop before the zebra lines and it's all done via cctv now. I don't like this. Just got one last month. Each time I pass through Delhi or go there I always get a challan for something.
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Taxes in India are incredibly high. For buying a car below is the breakdown:
Car cost - 15lakhs
GST -7lakhs approx
Total 22 lakhs
Income tax to make 22 lakhs (30%) - 7lakhs
Total tax paid on initial cost: 100% = 14lakhs
Below are taxes as running costs every year: 75k every year to govt. Not to mention taxes on tires, spares, repairs, servicing etc.
Tax on insurance: approx 20% of 20k = 4k
Tolls approx - 5k
100% tax on petrol- approx 15k km with average of 12kmpl = 63k
Car cost - 15lakhs
GST -7lakhs approx
Total 22 lakhs
Income tax to make 22 lakhs (30%) - 7lakhs
Total tax paid on initial cost: 100% = 14lakhs
Below are taxes as running costs every year: 75k every year to govt. Not to mention taxes on tires, spares, repairs, servicing etc.
Tax on insurance: approx 20% of 20k = 4k
Tolls approx - 5k
100% tax on petrol- approx 15k km with average of 12kmpl = 63k
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India is a bad deal for people who belong the India 1 Alpha. The taxes and general cost of living is super high for the type of services and good consumed by this category of people. India is a heaven for the middle class frugal people. I have figured out how to live in India.Returning_Indian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:58 am Taxes in India are incredibly high. For buying a car below is the breakdown:
Car cost - 15lakhs
GST -7lakhs approx
Total 22 lakhs
Income tax to make 22 lakhs (30%) - 7lakhs
Total tax paid on initial cost: 100% = 14lakhs
Below are taxes as running costs every year: 75k every year to govt. Not to mention taxes on tires, spares, repairs, servicing etc.
Tax on insurance: approx 20% of 20k = 4k
Tolls approx - 5k
100% tax on petrol- approx 15k km with average of 12kmpl = 63k
1) Buy a used car, ideally a small car like Alto or i10, more likely than not someone in your relatives will be upgrading their car to a bigger more expensive car. Do them a favor and buy out their used car.
2) Dont rent/buy in those DLF/Sobha type apartments, in places like Bangalore and even Delhi you will find either landed houses(Kothis as they call in Delhi), most likely the owner occupies the lower floor. Go and rent the upper floor, you will get it for around 20k rupees or rent a non luxury apartment which is builder floor.
3) Eat out chats, idly dosa, food courts within malls, occasional ordering pizza or fine dining is fine. But mostly cook at home. My wife is a great cook. Groceries are still cheap in India.
4) Do your own dishes, clean the house etc, it is good exercise as @SAPPORO mentioned, there are no footpaths in Bangalore, so you cannot get any cardio exercise unless you join the gym. You can join the gym, but you wont go everyday. Gym is good for weight lifting, anyways at our age we shouldnt do too much cardio, we must do more of weight lifting to gain muscle strength.
5) Put your kids in decent CBSE school, the school we chose cost us 2L per annum. Not sure what career path daughter will choose, but if follow what we followed, I plan for her to write the KCET/COMEDK exam and then hope she gets a decent engg college in Bangalore. Bachelors should cost within 20L.
6)vacations, mostly within India, take the train where possible or short drives if it is south India. Do a lot of solo travelling.
7) Buy a nice motorcyle and will try to use it for dropping and picking up my daughter from school. Our house is in North Bangalore and school in Yelahanka, this is airport road stretch so you can zoom 7kms in 15mins. Hoping to do some long bike trips for fun.
I expect our annual expenses to not cross 10L. But I will update here anyways. My guru is @mn_op so looking forward to follow his path

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This belongs to Amazing India thread, but I could not search it up and so posting it here.
My dental work has been completed, and the crowns came with a warranty of 10 years with a nice card, never seen anything like it!
The dentist lamented that US/UK dentists would always consider the quality of Indian crowns as inferior no matter how good they are. He assured that if it breaks for some reason, he can Fedex the replacement immediately. But I am not sure what I can do with the crowns in the US after receiving them
My dental work has been completed, and the crowns came with a warranty of 10 years with a nice card, never seen anything like it!
The dentist lamented that US/UK dentists would always consider the quality of Indian crowns as inferior no matter how good they are. He assured that if it breaks for some reason, he can Fedex the replacement immediately. But I am not sure what I can do with the crowns in the US after receiving them

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The most amazing part is how low the insurance premiums are in spite of all "interesting" driving - same would cost at least 10 times more for perfect drivers in the US. I guess most people settle them off the books in India and don't make a claim at all.Returning_Indian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:58 am Taxes in India are incredibly high. For buying a car below is the breakdown:
Car cost - 15lakhs
GST -7lakhs approx
Total 22 lakhs
Income tax to make 22 lakhs (30%) - 7lakhs
Total tax paid on initial cost: 100% = 14lakhs
Below are taxes as running costs every year: 75k every year to govt. Not to mention taxes on tires, spares, repairs, servicing etc.
Tax on insurance: approx 20% of 20k = 4k
Tolls approx - 5k
100% tax on petrol- approx 15k km with average of 12kmpl = 63k